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For those of you who will continue to watch House next season:

WHY?

This is not intended as an attack, I swear. You know I don't pick fights with my friends (random trolls and evil people on the other hand...). But how are you justifying it to yourselves? Is it just a case of 'I've started so I have to finish'? I mean, I know some of y'all would watch snuff for to Hugh Laurie if you had to, and I can't claim I'm any different when it comes to my women.

But I'm genuinely interested to hear what the defence is to the blatant misogyny (and/or casual racism), sharp decline in writing and all-round character assassination (including, most importantly, that of House himself)? What is it that makes you say that's not how it is or it doesn't matter because. Like I say, not picking a fight but I feel like I've only seen one side of this so far and I really don't know how the people not speaking up about this are rationalising the showrunners' decisions.

I'm putting this public and enabling anon so you don't have to feel awkward about it all. Look forward to hearing any and all sides of the arguments outside of the general comm hysteria.

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If it was a question of quality/enjoyment levels.... I'd have stopped a long time ago, TBH. I wanted to at the end of s3, came back because of fandom and enjoyed many aspects of the next few seasons. But my reason now for keeping up at all is that I have to see where the series goes. It's hard to explain; I just have to know how low it goes.

Next fall, I will have a class on Monday nights from 6-9pm, so if I watch House at any point from September to December, it will have to be on purpose and not just out of force of habit.

If it was just a question of Lisa leaving, then it wouldn't even be in question whether or not I would keep watching because I've always defined myself as someone who watched House for the character of House and not because of a side character or a ship. But you raise some interesting points about how the show has treated women over the years and especially within the last three or four years. And I don't know right now whether or not I'm going to keep watching. I am still invested in the character of House and how his story ends, for better or for worse. It may be a week-to-week decision, and because of my schedule, I may be watching it in a way that won't get picked up in the ratings, so it's not like anyone will ever know. (God, that's horrible.)

More than anything, if I fall out of it, I just don't want to be one of those bitter fans that gets on forums and other online environments every week to rail on and on about how much the show sucks. Because that's just not worth my time or my energy, and I feel like it would be disrespectful to friends who still watch and still love it. (Not that I'm saying you would ever do that, Lola, but it's a mental line I have to draw and feel compelled to mention.)

Well, I think I've sort of come to the end, and it's mainly character assassination. And strangely, Cuddy's more than House's, even though I've never watched 'for' Cuddy. But I am sensitive to how she treats my boy, and when that started changing inexplicably, I started standing back. I wanted to give the writers time to straighten things out - I'm well aware that with anything literary, and especially with a 'mystery' bent, things aren't always what they seem, but will be explained later. I was waiting for the explanation. But the explanation seems to be 'nope, she's really like that, and what's the problem?'

Their view has become so widely divergent from mine that I can't reconcile them anymore.

As for misogyny...I don't see that like others do, I know. But then, I dont see 'staying home with the kids' as inherently anti-feministic either. I'm happy enough with many traditionally female roles...which is only to say that I don't have that knee-jerk reaction to these things, because they don't bother me, and I've never had a problem with them. You could call it a kind of blindness - I often don't even see it, or if I do, it just doesn't rile me, because I am not offended by ... sorry, lost my words ... I dunno, the idea of embodying traditional female roles. (I'm missing some nuance there, but I hope you understand.)

As to questioning misogyny on the show - to me, that's kind of like questioning violence and murder on Dexter. The character's a serial killer. It shouldn't surprise you to see murder and death abound on that show.

I've decided that I'm going to stick to the older seasons and then see how I feel about next season. At this point I think that unless there are major changes, I won't watch next season... maybe the finale and that's about it.

Okay, here are my two cents.

First, I don't think you can ask people to defend their decision to watch a show such as you described above. I don't see this as defending why I watch a show. I'll tell you why I watch it, but I'm not going to "defend" my reasons for doing so.
I think everyone is a product of their environment. What you see a misogyny, horrible writing and character assassination might not be seen as the same to the person sitting next to you on a bus.

You love and care for the Cuddy character, you will defend her with all your might and see things that may not be perceive the way others see her. I personally can't stand her. Does that make me misogynic? You had strong words for RSL below in another comment, does that make you a man hater? Neither of us are wrong, we just see things differently. And that's okay, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Everyone sees and takes in things for different reasons, if not, the whole fandom would be signing petitions and promising to never watch the show again. But that is not the case. People have their favorite character and will see them differently than the person who doesn't like that character.

I remember in grade school they did this test or whatever. The teacher wrote down a sentence on a piece of paper then whispered and showed it to the first kid, he in turn had to just whisper it to the next kid and so on until it got to the last kid. The last kid then repeated the sentence and it was a totally different sentence than what the teacher started with. I forget the what the sentence was or why we were doing this "experiment" but that always stayed with me, not everyone sees and hears the same things as the next person.

As for why I watch the show, well, I could be wrong but I think a I'm like a lot of people. I watch the show because I like it, I like the House character, some of the stuff is funny and some of it is cringeworthy. I do not analyze it to death, and I don't over think about why they did this or why they did that. I watch the show for the pure entertainment value. Sometimes it's entertaining sometimes it's not. The writing is not great every episode and sometimes it is downright stupid. But its a tv show, it is not the best one is the world and it is not the worst. I have enough misogyny in my own life than to worry about how they may or may not be supporting it in a tv show.
And yes, I understand and know that opens a whole new can of worms in saying that this is learned behavior from the tv shows. A debate I don't really want to get into now.

But anyway, that is my two cents. No one is wrong for liking or not liking the show, it just affects us differently!

I don't get it either. I mean, at least earlier this season there were some cute and sweet moments with House and Cuddy, but now there's none of that, and no interesting cases. And the way people like Yaitanes treat the fans is incredibly disrespectful and awful. I know we're not "owed" anything, but at least don't turn the show into more of a piece of shit than it already has become.
I gave up watching when Cuddy broke up with House, though I actually missed that episode and when I found out what had happened, I decided, "Nope. I quit. There are awesome shows out there, and this is sadly not one of them anymore." I mean, shit, at least The Office is still a little funny, even without Steve Carell.

i'm still surprised i stopped watching, in some ways, because i hate giving up halfway through stuff

but the endless feelings of "ugh" and "UGH," depending on whether it was actual t.v. quality (which i can waver quite a lot for, lol) and how angry it made me (which is less forgiving)...ughhhh

and tbh, i stopped watching at all, not just casually, when house went to inpatient treatment, and ~became happy~ because that's not what i wanted to see, idk

I gave up in spirit when Chase "fixed an African nation" through first-degree murder and walked off completely scot-free except for his ~manpain~. Stopped watching at the end of that season.

I was going to start watching House in the offseason... now I don't want to. I don't even know the show that well and I'm outraged.

While I am forever going to be gutted that Lisa is gone, I am also incredibly glad she left of her own volition and left before any chauvinist executive had the pleasure of firing her. She stood up against whatever was really going on behind the curtain (which we'll never really fully know what WAS going on behind the curtain) and was the bigger person by leaving and refusing to be dealt any more devaluing, misogynist blows, which I'll bet my bottom dollar she was dealt plenty of over her time on that show.

I'd explain myself further about why I won't be watching the show but lol, I think I covered that pretty extensively in my conversation with spoggly, ahahahaha.

♥

It's not the same show as it was four years ago. I don't enjoy what it has become. It's not that I hate it, I have no real strong feelings about it anymore, and therefore, unless they have an Alien invasion/dinosaur storyline, I'm out.

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