where the most popular show in the world (as was) is telling people that these attitudes are acceptable
Well, and here's where I differ on that. I don't necessarily think that the show is saying it's acceptable, as saying that some of these characters may hold those views. Showing does not automatically equal condoning.
And no, the show isn't necessarily putting those attitudes down, either - but must everything be a moral lesson? I can remember growing up in a fundamental, denominational school (so, the prevailing belief is in a literal 6-day creation, etc), and we would occasionally reference science sources that would talk about 'six million years ago' yadda yadda, and I can remember my teachers falling over themselves to announce 'but children, you know that's not true, right?' And I remember being annoyed as fuck, because - yes, I know - I'm capable of seeing and hearing something that I don't believe in, without suddenly becoming contaminated and an automatic heathen. And so I kind of see it that way - I don't see the need for the show to go around saying, 'but viewers, you know that that's a shitty way to treat women, right?' Yes, most people don't go around purchasing sex from professionals. House does. I don't think it's honest to the show to suddenly have him going, 'gee, I've never thought about the hardships that these girls go through, and that they might not want to be doing this, but just need to pay the bills'.
As to Chase throwing Thirteen around - I guess I didn't see his reaction as disproportionate - she did hit him first, and she meant business - a 'please stop' wouldn't have cut it. And Chase looked fairly appropriately horrified at what it took to subdue her. I certainly didn't see it as misogyny, and I didn't look at it like - well, okay then, that's a good thing to do, everyone should! Of course not.
Because Lisa needs a pay cut but god forbid RSL make any less from a job he sneers at, right?
I don't think it's about the pay cut. I think the pay cut was the final insult, and intended to be insulting.
I *truly* think it's about her politics, her MoveOn ad, etc. And that gets into a whole 'nother level of misogyny.
Regardless, I separate fiction from whatever reality goes on behind the scenes. I haven't heard of b-t-s misogyny before now (and no, letting someone go because of a creative decision is not automatically misogynistic if the actor happens to be female).
So yeah - if that's what's happening to Lisa - I'm pretty determined to boycott Fox entirely.
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on 2011-05-19 11:49 pm (UTC)Well, and here's where I differ on that. I don't necessarily think that the show is saying it's acceptable, as saying that some of these characters may hold those views. Showing does not automatically equal condoning.
And no, the show isn't necessarily putting those attitudes down, either - but must everything be a moral lesson? I can remember growing up in a fundamental, denominational school (so, the prevailing belief is in a literal 6-day creation, etc), and we would occasionally reference science sources that would talk about 'six million years ago' yadda yadda, and I can remember my teachers falling over themselves to announce 'but children, you know that's not true, right?' And I remember being annoyed as fuck, because - yes, I know - I'm capable of seeing and hearing something that I don't believe in, without suddenly becoming contaminated and an automatic heathen. And so I kind of see it that way - I don't see the need for the show to go around saying, 'but viewers, you know that that's a shitty way to treat women, right?' Yes, most people don't go around purchasing sex from professionals. House does. I don't think it's honest to the show to suddenly have him going, 'gee, I've never thought about the hardships that these girls go through, and that they might not want to be doing this, but just need to pay the bills'.
As to Chase throwing Thirteen around - I guess I didn't see his reaction as disproportionate - she did hit him first, and she meant business - a 'please stop' wouldn't have cut it. And Chase looked fairly appropriately horrified at what it took to subdue her. I certainly didn't see it as misogyny, and I didn't look at it like - well, okay then, that's a good thing to do, everyone should! Of course not.
Because Lisa needs a pay cut but god forbid RSL make any less from a job he sneers at, right?
I don't think it's about the pay cut. I think the pay cut was the final insult, and intended to be insulting.
I *truly* think it's about her politics, her MoveOn ad, etc. And that gets into a whole 'nother level of misogyny.
Regardless, I separate fiction from whatever reality goes on behind the scenes. I haven't heard of b-t-s misogyny before now (and no, letting someone go because of a creative decision is not automatically misogynistic if the actor happens to be female).
So yeah - if that's what's happening to Lisa - I'm pretty determined to boycott Fox entirely.